Where's Grim?

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  1. Staggs

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    I still need to get a water purifier. I have one registered hand gun, guess I can kiss that baby goodbye. :cry: It's probably hard to buy a gun these days without having it registered. Maybe a gun show/flea market or something. Pretty sad the criminals will be the only ones armed when things get hairy. Sad thing is even if you have firearms that are not registered the only safe place to hide one would be to bury it, considering all of the technology they have these days. :x
     
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    so

    No grim sighting?? Just surprised after reading and trading for about a year I don't believe he is not buying all these stocks on sale.
     
  3. jacobnbr1

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    these stocks are not on sale yet....


    Just wait a little while longer and you wont have a chance to buy them at all.

    THIS IS BAD!
     
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    ok here's a good idea... hide said "former legal weapons" , file a police report and claim them stolen... now you are off the hook for them, and get insurance to write you a check...

    i'm guessing bow and arrow will still be legal to hunt with, if so then you could still hunt for food.
     
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    That is not for me. I'm sure some people would or have done this but it's to much to risk for something that might happen. Good idea though.
     
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    Really? I think its good. Its about time our system had a smackdown. It continues to show proof of the mockery of what the stock market truly is. Lehman executives anyone? Still taking millions in bonuses while they ran it into the ground. Enron should have been a bigger wakeup call. Its likely to get much worse. Anyone wanna put down odds on the Market dropping to 8,500? I didnt think it would ever get to this. So what do I know? Nothing, lol....


    People who didnt overleverage their lives, are going to be sitting pretty when all is said and done 2 or 3 years from now.
     
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    Vetelmo- I couldn't agree more! If you look at the long term historical charts, we are WAY out of line STILL! Only when 401k's etc get involved in the market did prices start drastically climbing. Now, folks have gotten a wake up call that 10% growth year after year is just not sustainable. Lots of dollars chasing a limited number of stocks WILL raise prices. Supply and Demand. But when the folks wake up and realize that a company is NOT worth 30,40, or 50 times earnings (or worse) THEN they see the light....and the market starts regaining reality.

    I too believe we can easily see 8500. Not tomorrow or the next day....but sooner than most would like. Meantime, my two "paid cash but ugly" cars are doing fine, my "pay it off EVERY month" VISA doesn't hurt a bit, and my home that we squeaked and saved for that now has a 50% mortgage (even after the down turn in prices) still keeps me warm and dry. For years many have turned up their noses....but I notice they have nose bleeds now.

    Life is full of choices....Choices have consequences.

    As for weapons, bullets, etc....if it goes that far, do we really want to fight/die for foodstuffs? I think someone's been watching too many "In the future" movies.
     
  8. jacobnbr1

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    "I dont think so tim"

    You think this is some type of game?

    Sure it is but we are only pawns in the way.

    Pawns desighned to get sacraficed if uneducated.

    Take it to the bank we have war in iran, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but sooner than you think.

    When war is declared against iran there will be martial law in the streets in every state. Mark my words.

    The only thing i can try to do is tell people what to expect and i can tell you no one, but no one flips bushies and chaneys the middle bird and gets away wit it just as sadam of iraq did..
     
  9. jacobnbr1

    jacobnbr1 Member Original Member

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    This just poped up in my underground inbox!


    APFN
    Chinese Police Units Begin Entering US To Protect Assets
    Fri Oct 3, 2008 14:45
    72.201.43.207


    [Ed. Note: This report should be read from its website location at
    http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1149.htm as this email copy does not
    contain the links embedded in the original report.]

    October 4, 2008

    Chinese Police Units Begin Entering US To Protect Assets

    By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

    Reports circulating in the Kremlin today are stating that the first
    deployment of China’s elite People's Armed Police (PAP) under an
    agreement signed between the United States and China, and as we had
    previously reported on in our September 20th report “US Homeowners Soon
    To Be Evicted By Chinese Police Under New Law”, have arrived in America
    and begun to deploy to protect Chinese assets in this now insolvent
    First-World country.

    Unbeknownst to the American people, however, is that since September
    20th, the $700 billion bailout bill signed into law by their President
    yesterday was expanded from its original 3 pages to a 451 page virtual
    novel of new laws virtually enslaving them to the foreign holders of
    their debt.

    Even more disturbing, these reports continue, are that these new laws
    not only give Chinese and European banks control over the mortgage debt
    of the American people, they now include their credit card balances, and
    which virtually the entire US populace have indebtedness to.

    To how utterly chilling this new US law for the American people, titled
    the “Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008”, Russian legal
    experts point out in these reports that:

    “Section 101 (a)(1) establishes what is termed the Troubled Asset Relief
    Program (TARP) to which substantial portions of what the American people
    currently owe to their banks and financial institutions is to be turned
    over the US Government for redistribution to foreign banks.

    Section 101(c)(3) Designates for the first time in American history
    these foreign banks as financial agents of Federal Government with full
    law enforcement authority over the citizens in the US.

    Section 3 (b) allows the US Secretary of the Treasury to put any kind of
    debt, including credit card, home loans, personal loans, automobile
    loans, etc., into the TARP programme.

    Section 112 allows the US Secretary of the Treasury to astoundingly
    extend financing to foreign banks to purchase the debt of the American
    people.

    Section 112 (1)(a) allows the US Government to hold stocks in companies
    for the first time in their history and which completely destroys the
    capitalist economy of their Nation.

    Section 119 (2)(a) gives the US Secretary of the Treasury dictatorial
    powers not reviewable by courts making this position the most powerful
    one in America.

    Section 122 increases the US public debt to the incredible amount of
    $11,315,000,000,000 (Trillion)

    Section 204 puts the United States under emergency economic rule and
    states, "all provisions of this Act are designated as an emergency
    requirement and necessary to meet emergency needs”.

    But, these reports warn, the two most chilling measures put into this
    new law are titled “Section 511 "Paul Wellstone and Pete Domenici Mental
    Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008” and “TITLE II-SPECIAL
    PROJECTS ON FEDERAL LAND Section 201”.

    The new mental health provisions contained in these new laws allows the
    United States to label dissident citizens as being ‘mentally ill’, and
    the ‘Special Projects’ section allows for the reimbursement to US cities
    and counties for the building of concentration camps for these mentally
    ill dissidents.

    The fear of the United States Government against their dissidents is
    becoming more evident as many of them are beginning to sound the alarm
    of events to come, and as we can see evidenced by one such report from
    the SteveQuale.Com website:

    “THERE IS STRONG INDICATION THAT A "BANK HOLIDAY" UNDER A DECLARATION
    OF AN ECONOMIC EMERGENCY MAY BE DECLARED IN THE U.S. SOMETIME WITHIN
    THE NEXT 2 WEEKS AND POSSIBLY AS EARLY AS SATURDAY 10/4/2008.

    THE INFORMATION INDICATES THAT IT MAY BE ANNOUNCED TO LAST A WEEK OR TWO
    AND THAT ALL BANKS AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WILL CLOSE DURING THAT
    PERIOD. NO ACCESS TO YOUR DEPOSITS WILL BE POSSIBLE, ATMS WILL NOT WORK,
    CREDIT CARDS WILL NOT WORK, AND BROKERAGE ACCOUNTS WILL NOT BE
    ACCESSIBLE EITHER.

    THIS WOULD BE DONE UNDER A STATE OF MARTIAL LAW THOUGH TROOPS MAY NOT
    APPEAR ON ALL STREETS IMMEDIATELY UNDER THE FAINT HOPE THAT THE POPULACE
    WILL SIMPLY ACCEPT THESE MATTERS, BUT THE BANKS AND FINANCIAL
    INSTITUTIONS WILL BE HEAVILY GUARDED WHETHER OVERTLY VISIBLE OR NOT.

    IF RIOTS OR CIVIL UPHEAVAL BREAK OUT, WHICH OF COURSE WOULD BE EXPECTED
    IN MANY LOCALES, THEN YOU WILL SEE TROOPS, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS,
    SWAT TEAMS, PRIVATE SECURITY CONTRACTORS, AND EVEN FEDERALLY AUTHORIZED
    U.S. GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKERS
    OPERATING UNDER THE REGIONAL MILITARY GOVERNORS OR FEMA CONTINUTITY OF
    GOVERNMENT CONTROLLERS TO ATTEMPT TO PUT DOWN THE RIOTS AND UPHEVAL WITH
    SANCTIONED ANY FORCE NECESSARY.

    FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL 500 + EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND PRESIDENTIAL
    DECISION DIRECTIVES ALREADY EXTANT AFTER THE 911 ATTACKS PROMPTED THEIR
    INVOCATION BY THE PRESIDENT, PLUS ANY STANDING ORDERS UNDER FEMA COG
    PLANS OR MILITARY PLANS UNDER THE CURRENT VERSIONS OF "REX 84"
    ......"GARDEN PLOT".....OR "CABLE SPLICER" WILL BE CARRIED OUT.

    EXPECT CURFEWS , CHECK POINTS, RESTRICTIONS ON TRAVEL, CONFISCATION OF
    FOOD, WATER, TRANSPORTATION, WEAPONS, COMMUNCATIONS, HOMES FOR
    BILLETTING TROOPS, ALL MONEY, AND SHOOT TO KILL ORDERS IF THE REGIONAL
    MILITARY GOVERNOR DEEMS IT NECESSARY. ORGANIZATION OF CIVILLIAN WORK
    GANGS AND EVEN TRANSPORT TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS WILL BE SEEN IF EVENTS
    GO AS THE MILITARY AND FEMA PLANNERS HAVE EXPECTED.”

    Not just to US dissident websites either are these warnings being
    issued, and as we can read:

    “The next day, the Los Angeles Times, in an article on the Senate
    passage of the bailout measure, noted in passing a statement by
    Democratic Rep. Brad Sherman from the San Fernando Valley in Southern
    California which underscores the authoritarian atmosphere surrounding
    the proceedings in Congress.

    Sherman, who voted against the bailout bill on Monday, said, “The one
    thing that’s been proven is the absolute fear-mongering that’s being
    used to drive us is false.” He continued, “I’ve seen members turn to
    each other and say if we don’t pass this bill, we’re going to have
    martial law in the United States.”

    Though it is not in our knowing to the know the full outcome of these
    events we can state what is plainly evident, the Untied States of
    America as it was originally founded is now gone, forever.
     
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    Holy Crap!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
     
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    And this..

    Army Times

    The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.
    Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

    Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

    It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

    But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

    After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

    “Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

    The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

    Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

    Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

    The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

    In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

    They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

    Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

    The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

    “It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

    The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

    “I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

    “I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

    The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

    “I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

    While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

    “If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

    Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

    Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

    Other branches included

    The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

    Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

    A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

    In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

    There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

    One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

    “It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

    “I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”
     
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    Dude, you need to get a grip! Your clutch is slipping! I'm not sure what kind of suit you wear to the office, but mine is a funny mottled green one. I don't know where you're getting all this stuff, but man....change the channel! You're stuck on infomercials that....to the best of my knowledge....have no grounding in reality. I especially liked the Army Times article. Brother....do you know how SMALL a Brigade is....and how bloody BIG this country is? Get a grip! :wink: Remember....some poor reporter got tasked with writing an article. How do they make points with their boss? Make it splashy!!!! As a long time reader of the Army Times I know that it is a newspaper written to the military community....and just like many other targeted tabloids.....they get carried away now and then.

    Ever hear the story of the radio broadcast of "The War of the Worlds" ? It's people's belief that everything they read in print, hear on the TV, etc is true that creates the kinds of chaos that we're seeing today. Remember buddy, these folks write to create headlines that sell advertisements. It's just the all mighty dollar at work.

    Now, am I suggesting we all be Polly Anna and bury our heads in the ground? Nope! But look around you brother, the world has not quit turning! It may be wobbling a bit financially....but frankly I was far more worried when the S&P was at 1579 than I am now. To me, the US, and the American people are now waking up to reality.....and can get back to the grit, determination, hard work, and yes....sacrifice.....that made this country what it is. If the world economy tumbles....I'm betting it all... my finances, career, and my family's future.....that the U.S. will be the leaders coming back out of the mess. If I didn't honestly believe that....I'd be moving to the place that I believed would be leading.

    I'm not sure of your age, or your travel overseas, but here's a couple of facts from a geezer who's been around awhile and seen most of the world:

    1. The United States of America is NOT perfect! But it's the best thing going so far. Why do you think all the folks want to immigrate here? I've been to Europe, South East Asia, South West Asia, and most of the Mediterranean countries. They are doing a fair job of immitating what we have built over the last 200 years....but they haven't quite got it right yet!

    2. Today we are paying for the last 8-10 years of "Stupid". So the American people are not perfect either. But again....I remember the 1950's. We were different then. Perhaps the yo-yo swung too far, and is just starting to swing back. So be it. The years past were tough at times....but I'm living breathing proof that it can be done....with a good life along the way.

    3. If you'll file this away, and take it out in one year, you'll know then I wasn't just blowing smoke. Life goes on. Perhaps changed, but it goes on. For today....here's my advice- Love your family, work hard on your job, and relax....we're not getting out of this alive anyway :wink: I'm paraphrasing from a book that's over 2,000 year old. They had their problems too....but we're still here today.

    So get OFF the news channels for a couple of hours.....and call someone you love. It will do you ALOT more good!

    Hang in Bro' - It is what it is.
     
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    Wow, jacob....

    How many conspiracy sites do you goto each day?

    There might some truth to what your saying but in reality, if the **** hits the fan, you wont see the military action you think your going to see. Dont forget these military memebrs have families too. They have moms, dads, cousins, autns uncles and their own children to worry about being dealt with in the same way.

    Now lets talk about this brigade. One battalion typically will have 4 to 5 companies of 100 to 125 soldiers, with about 25 or so headquaters personal. Each brigade will have 3 or 4 battalions. Your talking about 2,500 to 3,000 soldiers. That isnt enough to take major cities over by military force.

    You should write a book, you could make a fair amount of money with your scenerios. Almost like that show that failed on CBS, Jericho.
     
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    VETELMO: I'm not sure what Jericho is (we don't have TV here on the mountain and don't miss it one bit! ;-) )but other than that....well said. Especially the part about our own families/relation. A good while back some National Guard types got carried away at Kent State. I don't see that happening again....ever....as the repercussions were cataclysmic.

    (Note to self....go buy a dictionary, you can't spell worth beans!)
     
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    What?!? How do you keep up with Britney and Paris, lmao. J/K, you are better off without it.
     
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    The brigade is for protection of washington not for taking over cities.

    The take over will be from a state protocol level unless riots breakout as im certain they will.

    They threatened matial law to get members of congress to agree with the bailout bill.

    They will convince each and every bureaucrat and their agencies to cut our own throats through protocols of new laws.

    Basically an infiltration from the inside in a phylisophical mannor but with chaos if needed. Yaknow a total police state....
     
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    I wouldnt put much to it. It will take more than one Brigade to protect DC.
     
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    Actually VETELMO, it's better phrased as follows : :lol:

    It will take more than one Bricade to protect us from D.C.

    He he he, Ha Ha Ha :lol:
     
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    Let's see how many of yuns make it to dc when there is a credit freeze and debocle of the markets.....
     
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    What is worse than a sheeple?

    A sheeple with it's head in the sand! :lol: